- 15:50 – What inspired Jocelyn to create and develop HoopYogini™ and Bhakti Boogie® Yoga.
- 22:47 – What is Trauma Drama and how does this prevent entrepreneurs to maximize their growth potential?
- 30:03 – Jocelyn’s approach to help her clients move forward from their place of “stuckness”
- 33:44 – What is Theta healing?
- 41:33 – Jocelyn’s most powerful mindset tool for success.
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In today’s Masterclass, Jocelyn will share with us how to create an irresistible holistic fitness program and certification, which you can download from down below.
We will learn about:
- 2:02 – The process that Jocelyn went through to create her unique holistic fitness program.
- 15:57 – Keys to success in creating a successful wellness certification program.
- 17:07 – How to attract, inspire and encourage practitioners to get certified in your wellness program.
- 20:21 – Different passive income streams that you can establish to ensure a steady cash flow during retreat tours
- 25:15 – How do you determine if you’re ready to launch your own certification program?
- And much, much more
Mentioned in this interview
- Wanderlust Festival, Squaw
- Awesomeness Fest
- Mind Valley
Where to Find Jocelyn
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- Dance and Sing in Bali
- Follow Jocelyn on Twitter
- Check out Jocelyn’s videos on YouTube
Full Episode Transcript
0:56 Lorna: Hello amazing change makers, this is Lorna Li for another episode of Entrepreneurs for a Change, and welcome to number 63. Today, we have as our guest, Jocelyn Gordon, who is the creator of the holistic fitness programs: Hoop Yogini and Bhakti Boogie Yoga. Jocelyn is passionate about helping women liberate themselves from “Trauma Drama”. The stories that hold them back from their full potential. Oh, I can’t wait to dive in to this topic with you. And, I think I could liberate myself from a little trauma drama myself. [Laughs]
1:31 So, Jocelyn is joining us from beautiful tropical paradise of Bali, Indonesia to share with us what it takes to start and grow a wellness lifestyle business. So Jocelyn, thank you so much for joining me today, I’m so glad to have you on the show.
1:51 Jocelyn: Thank you Lorna, I’m really grateful for this opportunity to spend concentrated time with you and to learn more about what you do and how you communicate with your people.
2:02 Lorna: Yes, I should mention for the benefit of the audience, Jocelyn and I met at a fantastic conference that I highly recommend. If you consider yourself to be an evolutionary change maker, that conference is called Awesomeness Fest and it’s hosted by a company called Mind Valley. That is pioneering online education as we know it. They focus on transformational educational programs and media. And so, they have Awesomeness Fest twice a year in the east and in the west. So Jocelyn and I met at Awesomeness Fest Phuket, Thailand this past year and so that’s when I discovered her amazing work with these holistic fitness modalities.
2:47 So, I would love to find out Jocelyn, what is your story? How on earth did you end up on this path to creating a business that clearly allows you to change the lives of the many, many people that you come into contact with? And also generate abundance through your purpose driven business.
3:11 Jocelyn: Wow, thank you. Well, the first that comes to mind is that I’m stubborn and probably a bit narrow minded in terms of how I feel or what I feel in my services at this time on the planet, and I remember this coming in as a young one gaining consciousness and thinking, wondering what this is about. What is this, this is weird, who are these people? Like that song, “how did I get this house? How did I get this car?” And it’s kind of coming in with this consciousness of what’s going on here on this planet.
3:45 And that led me to really be quite intentional about what I was to be doing on this planet given the opportunity of my life so, for a very young age, ever since a very young age, I’ve been quite focused on my purpose and what’s been consistent is dance.
4:03 Movement is my first love, it’s how I communicate with the universe, it’s how I have really deep conversations with people without words. It’s a conduit of joy and it’s simply activates good feelings really, really quickly and probably the most direct conduit for joy that works for my body.
4:23 So, I also come from a very progressive family, very entrepreneurial African-American family who overcame many challenges in the US and just have a strong legacy of community service and achievement so I walked in the footsteps of my ancestors with that, which can sometimes be very challenging in terms of my inner quality of life. There’s a high sense of achievement that goes on and sometimes that can be antagonistic to the values that I also have about daily self-care and nurturance and wellness.
4:57 For that aside, I would say, early intention, family lineage and also just I have a degree in marketing and French however, I’m not necessarily an accountant, I’m not an attorney embodiment movement, this is my skill set of expertise, this is what my life’s work. So, for better or for worse, have a lot of focus in a sense of what I’m doing in helping people be more alive and embodied.
5:27 Now, there’s also the skills sets, I’ve been educated, I have had great mentors, I’ve been practicing and training in dance since I was 5 and massage therapy as well. Very young I started a reflexology apprenticeship with my grandmother’s reflexologist. So unbeknownst to me, at that time, I was set up to really be a kinesthetic communicator and then that led to dancing in New York city, becoming a yoga massage and dance therapist so like a multidisciplinary healing artist mixed with a strong sense of entrepreneurship.
6:04 So all of those years, whether the book Outlier say, I probably have about ten thousand years of expertise or time in this mix which is really wanting to have my life to myself.
6:19 My mom and my dad work for corporate America and they really soared in that but as a child I saw, but it took a lot of time away from other things that they were possibly interested in. It took a lot of time away from me so I felt and it demanded pretty much 90% of their focus.
6:38 So, that too and I don’t think that’s the path for me to be, it felt like a chain, to be chained to this large corporate dynamic. Although, I see that it also created a beautiful lifestyle so I’m not knocking that, it’s just that for me, freedom of movement on all levels has been the highest priority.
7:00 Lorna: it’s so interesting, I feel like I really resonate with your upbringing in a certain way because my parents are also career people. They were so focused on their corporate careers that and even they were in the house, they weren’t entirely present and so I was one of those kids that was like a latch key kid. I’d find the key stashed away some place and I’d let myself in the house and I’d be alone for a few hours until my parents came back from their jobs in New York and I think that really deeply affected me because one thing that I kind of thought about why it was, One of the main reasons why I decided to go into entrepreneurship especially online entrepreneurship, was the fact that I didn’t want to be tied to a corporation and have to commute long hours and spend most of my time and energy focused on my role as an employee in that company and then afterwards going out to networking events and kind of like rapport building with my colleagues and not being able to have any time for my loved ones.
8:15 So, the beauty of location independent internet entrepreneurship is, it just gives you that freedom. But what I love about your business too is that you incorporate so much movement and dance into it so, I’m kind of curious to know because a lot of entrepreneurs, they end up connecting with their purpose and launching a business as a result of specific experiences that occurred in their lifetime.
So, on one hand I see that the passion for dance that you’ve had has been something that’s been lifelong and you’ve certainly identified that that is your zone of genius. But at what were some of the defining moments in your life that caused you to embark upon your entrepreneurial journey? Because entrepreneurship is not easy. I mean, if you want to have an easy way to generate an income that being an employee but into being an entrepreneur is kind of like stepping into the fire so, often what I see is an even bigger fire ’cause these entrepreneurs that I’ve spoken to, step into the fire of entrepreneurship, so what was that for you?
9:33 Jocelyn: Early on as well seeing my family, looking through the lens of innocence and seeing my parents come home with all this work and their teams so, that was clear for me. I don’t want “that” so to speak, I don’t want that path which was titled corporate America in my innocent mind at that time.
9:57 Also again the lineage of just going out there, there is an expectation of achievement in my family so, that strong drive of like, okay, I have to stand with these achievers but I have to do it my way because they know that path they have paid is not exactly the right fit for me.
10:14 So that’s again where the stubbornness comes in. I also had my own pivotal health challenges such as when I was a child between ages of 8 to 12 I had epileptic seizures in my sleep which is a gift actually. And that led to a profound experience one night when I was 10, I started to wake up in a lucid space with the sensations of having seizure and I just didn’t feel like having one that night, I just was like not having it and so, again in my innocence I said no, just in that lucid theta space.
10:50 And I have not had a seizure since that moment. Technically I was un-diagnosed of epilepsy when I was 12 but, between 10, and [inaudible] since that night to 12 and since then I’ve not have one. So that and also again I have had the experience of sexual abuse and that created an awareness of I felt my voice actually leave my body or I became disempowered because my voice left so there’s been this journey of reclaiming voice and self and body and life and pleasure that has also motivated me to heal myself through these other modalities where I thought I was using them to be of service primarily but of course, as it all works out, it’s for the self as well.
11:37 When I lived in New York City, I went to a head hunter and she found these really great jobs that is really wonderful companies, Revlon and what not, I just couldn’t get to pass with corporations like that that there would be a level of, I really value right livelihood and I know that sometimes with large corporations, people get lost and money goes places that I’m not certain would be really aligned with my values so I was offered great jobs in this wonderful well-known companies like the Louis Vuitton Corporation and Wall Street Journal and I just couldn’t do it and maybe that was my own ignorance but I just couldn’t do it as a young 20 year old woman.
12:24 I could see the whole path paved but I was like, there’s just too many things I don’t know about where these millions of dollars are going and that made me uncomfortable so, again, really standing for right livelihood, offering service to the world that’s going to help and certainly not hurt, that’s really big area of my focus. Again, having a degree in marketing and French, I always knew that I’d be working on an international level and somehow it all came together.
12:58 I wish I could give you like a more definitive moment but it seems like it’s been an unfolding into the entrepreneurship.
13:05 Lorna: Yeah, and indeed it’s always an unfolding journey. I mean, there were moments in my life for example where I could say that was a defining moment, but how it end up turning into the form that it is now, it’s certainly an evolution.
13:20 So I’m curious to know how you developed Hoop Yogini and Bhakti Boogie yoga and I should say for the benefit of the audience that Jocelyn will share with us how to actually create an irresistible holistic fitness program and certification process in the Masterclass which you can get from the show notes at episode entrepreneursforchange.com/63. So, why did you decide to develop these two particular holistic programs?
13:57 Jocelyn: Well, I’ve watched yoga studios and other centers create certification programs. One, because for many of these venues that’s a cash cow. It’s how they generate large sums of money and for one short period of time beyond their recurring income with classes. So I watched my friends and studio owners do that.
14:22 Also, for six years I was the director of teacher training for a company that is focused on adult hoop dance education and that’s when I my career soared believe it or not, as an adult in my 30’s, that’s when I started traveling the world professionally teaching and making money certifying others and at that time, their modality of movement. That really gave me an initiation into pedagogy and basically how to teach and how to present information to different styles of learners so that they can actually receive it and replicate it in an enriching way. To be honest Lorna, in what I just said, I forgot the question. [Laughs]
15:05 Lorna: I was curious about what it takes and what inspired you to develop these two programs, you know for something you can keep going and teaching other people’s modalities but I think there’s a certain creative leap that one makes between practicing somebody else’s acro yoga program or Zumba program to developing your own and sometimes people develop their own simply because they want to do it a certain way and there is no modality that existed so they decide to make it themselves so, how did Hoop Yogini and Bhakti Boogie Yoga come into being?
15:50 Jocelyn: Into the world, so when I was in my teens, probably 16 to 18, I had a very strong spiritual practice of dance. Now, I’m calling it a spiritual practice because the yoga world calls it a sodona, a daily spiritual discipline. So I had a very intimate daily discipline of dance and poetry writing combined with all those hormones and being moody but it was a very highly creative personal time in my life. And years later I was an artist in residence at the SLN Institute and I walked into a class and saw this woman facilitating a movement experience and there was a man in the middle of the circle and his peers were coaching him to be, “be present, let go, move, release, express”. And as I watched, I was really astounded. I was like, “wait, people want this?”
16:47 People will pay you to encourage them to move, I was like, I’ve been doing this in my bedroom since I was 16. You mean that time is actually something that people would want, demand and need? So that was a big awakening moment and I am deeply grateful to the facilitator Ellen Watson, she is like an elder in my life and she started the SLN movement arts program and was there in SLN along the same time as Eda Rolf and Gabrielle Roth. And all these amazing mavericks in embodied wellness.
17:27 So, that was the defining moment. That led me to just really go for it. At the time or shortly thereafter, I went into a yoga teacher training program and our graduating program was basically, we had to present a course. We had to present a workshop so that was easy, I just was meditating and it came through, Bhakti Boogie Yoga. Bhakti meaning to offer up from the heart and boogie meaning to get down and that’s been my practice. It’s been this fun form of a prayer for lack of a better word that just kind of releases a lot of the seriousness and the dogma and religiosity, just letting that go and going straight to connecting with inspiration and so that’s what happened.
18:16 That was about 2007 and then I was also in a yoga therapy program, a very advanced program around the time that hooping came to me. And, as soon as I got into the hoop, it was evident that the hoop satisfied my loves of massage, of dance, of meditation and yogic stretching.
18:38 I spent three hours a day organically with my own intimate practice with the hoop, at the same time I was teaching and certifying others in the modality I mentioned before not mine. But that was a really great time for Hoop Yogini to germinate.
18:54 I had my experience in massage. I had the yogic therapeutic so I understood how awesome that affect the body, mind, energy and spirit and so with the symbol of the hoop being really profound and again non-religious, non-dogmatic, it became very clear to me that the hoop would be this perfect friendly portal to invite people into transformation in a way that’s fun, pleasurable and joyful.
19:20 Lorna: I love that, transformation that’s fun, pleasurable and joyful. My god, let me tell you, I spent three years in a Tibetan Meditation center in Berkley and you mentioned like the religious dogma, it just brings me back to that place because we were all focused on transformation and practicing the Dharma and one thing that I noticed with that particular community was like everyone was pushing themselves so hard. We logged so many hours trying to do our karma yoga to the point were like people were actually getting injured because they were pushing their bodies so hard in doing a lot of repetitive motions especially wrapping books. We sent hundreds of thousands of Tibetan books to Bodhgaya India, every year during the world peace ceremony and so, it really took me a few years to kind of deprogram myself out of this idea that transformation had to be painful and in a certain way like self-esteem phasing, so to speak.
20:32 Jocelyn: Yeah.
20:35 Lorna: I just love the fact that you are forwarding this experience of transformation that is joyful and empowering. Now, one thing that I am really intrigued by was in your bio, you had mentioned your passion about helping women liberate themselves from trauma drama.
21:02 So I’d love to dive into that some more simply because what I’ve discovered with entrepreneurship is that different from being an employee, when you’re an entrepreneur, not only isn’t much more challenging but you have to self-generate all your business and you have to grow your business on your own especially when you’re just getting started that sometimes,
21:28 I mean more often than not during the process, all your shit comes up and then, as part of becoming a successful entrepreneur, a lot of the work, actually the most important work that one needs to do in order to claim entrepreneurial success is not just mastering business strategy but it’s also mastering your inner world, mastering your inner game and being able to really come to terms with some of the past that may still be holding you back or creating self-limiting beliefs in stories. So I’d love to hear from you what is trauma drama actually and how does that keep entrepreneurs stuck?
22:25 Jocelyn: I was just nodding my head based on everything you just said and it is entrepreneurship is definitely a self-development experience. Oh my gosh!
22:41 Lorna: Oh my gosh! It seems to me you’re on accelerated self-development curve.
22:47 Jocelyn: Yes and it’s very obvious the areas where I get stuck, very obvious to see that the things that I delay or procrastinate now, and that’s evidence of fear which is usually can also be related to perfectionism like I’m not sure how I’m going to have all the strategy done. If I don’t have the strategy done and I can’t exactly launch at all. So my own pathology is delay based on perfectionism which has a strong chord with unworthiness.
23:22 So these are the fun things you get to dive into. Yes. Oh my goodness. And I found that it helps me and this is something I’m actively commenting in my life is to have partnerships and accountability partnerships and co-working experiences where I’m not left In my own world of ruminating these things that there’s people that I can talk to about who reflect back what’s really true and that’s helping me move forward. There’s still stuff to move through.
23:56 What can I say? Trauma drama, those are the stories that hold us back and it has to lot to do with victimhood, such as this happened to me therefore I can’t or I can’t move forward in my life. I can’t do that thing I want. I can’t be in that relationship because this happened. I’m damaged.
24:19 For me, it could have been, well, I was sexually abused when I was 10, 11,or 12. Therefore I can’t love or I can’t be a leader or whatever the mind might say that they can’t do. So I find that a lot of women are stuck in that replay of trauma drama in their subconscious, and so in their forward thinking minds and there’s a lot of, it can be a big blockage.
24:50 So I’m aware that all change happens to the body and that the body is a very wise vessel, so through body, subject coaching practices and creating a safe container for exploration, these things can come forward and not in a way of re-traumatizing but in a way of integrating, so it’s not even about pushing away or suppressing. For me, it’s always been about integrating the experience, integrating the wisdom and letting it in be that soup of amazing thing that lends to offering something very valuable to family, community, world.
25:29 Lorna: I totally agree with you in that the body really is a vessel of wisdom. I can’t tell you how often when some type of path that I was on was not ultimately right for me that my body had to go ahead and intervene, so an example of that was, there was one experience I had where I had, I don’t even know what it was. It was some kind of food poisoning or something where all of the sudden, I was breaking out into full body hives and I had such like intense abdominal pain that I was literally on the floor of my friend’s bathroom.
26:06 Fortunately, I was staying at my friend’s house and she just had a party and one other person that was awake at that time, everyone else had left was the DJ and so thank God he was awake, it was around four in the morning and I had him drive me to the emergency room and we did that.
26:30 So I would say there is definitely lot of wisdom to paying attention to your body signals. There’s something that’s not right about a scenario if you find yourself getting sick or not being able to show up to that meeting or meet that person who’s pitching you that opportunity, maybe it’s actually telling you that that is not the right opportunity or the right person to be in partnership with.
26:55 Jocelyn: I agree.
26:55 Lorna: I’m also curious to know that you have mentioned a little bit earlier that women tend to get stuck by their trauma drama stories. You find this to be more common with women than in men?
27:12 Jocelyn: Thanks for asking that. I have to be honest and saying I’ve worked more intimately with women in this context than with men, so perhaps I can’t say definitively but it’s just my experience with women and then they have their stories too. Maybe it comes out a different way for them.
27:38 Women are bit more expressive in communicating what’s going on for them like a real time way and we have already a precedent of sharing. For me, I found that easier. It’s easy to hear the stories of trauma drama based on the body language and the way I hear women communicating but I’m certain men have trauma drama too.
28:05 Lorna: It probably manifested to different stories. Each gender I’ve noticed like we, women, have our gender-based pain and the stories gets pass down through the lineages, society and culture and then men also have their pain and the stories too. So it’s interesting and at the same time, I think there’s so much healing that really needs to be done through between both genders and how we can release that pain and really reclaim our human potential, both, just whatever as individual and then, also collectively as a gender and collectively as humanity.
28:50 Jocelyn: I agree and I am actually quite fascinated with gender identification because I think I had such a big, important potential for humanities especially acknowledging the masculine feminine that exist inside ourselves and also acknowledging the spaciousness between those polarities and opportunity be more integrated society. And by creating space for people who are like, “Hey. I’m not this; I’m not that. Or actually, I came in this but I identify with that.” So, on a cultural level, the general identification I think is really powerful. And I feel like it lends into the new AD dialogue about marriage of the inner masculine and feminine. So, we can be more integrated beings.
29:42 Lorna: So, in your work as a transformational coach, how do you help your clients move from a place of “stuckness” in their trauma drama stories to really becoming the most magnificent expression of themselves?
30:03 Jocelyn: Thank you for asking. A big step is creating a space of safety for one that individual or group experience. Often, many coaches express confidentiality that can be important to many people. And then, coming to the body not so much as to focus on what’s wrong because I think that’s a big part of our cultures like focusing on what’s wrong. And I know personally that that can, when I focus on that too long, it can really affect my self-esteem.
30:40 So, coming to the body more like show me, tell me, I’m open, I’m listening, that has a much better feeling than: “Tell me what’s wrong and hopefully I can fix it but I’m not really sure or I’m doubtful.” It depends on the client, the person and the environment. What steps we take to encourage that dialogue whether be standing body scans. I’m really big on Asuna but not from like, “You have to be bending and do a lot of postures.” But Asuna means “Earth Seat”. And there’s an inner Asuna as well as an outer Asuna. And I’m really focused fascinated by inner Asuna because we don’t walk around in our lives in a warrior one, going to a horse stance, going to a Melasuna. Or what do you call it– “Squat”.
31:33 These postures have archetypes. They have wisdom and that we can come to them on a physical level but ultimately, it’s to stimulate their wisdom on an internal level. So, a lot of what I offer is about, one, identifying a predominant Asuna that’s running the show. For me, for some time, it was shame Asuna. Shame Asuna has a posture just as well as child’s pose has a posture. That posture of shame can actually be more powerful in its internal hidden nature than the one that’s more expressed on a Yoga mat or in a Hoop Yogini in practice.
32:13 So, identifying, perhaps a predominant Asuna that’s going on, I wouldn’t necessarily use this language with all my clients depends on the situation. But checking in to see what is happening and then, creating with dialogues if I’m working with a group, a dialogue or more that it’ll start in the inside, a lot of them are work because they are internally focused. And then, we have others as a mirror reflecting back that dynamic or reflecting other possibilities to move to that dynamic. I also believe that the dance force space is like a holodeck like from some Star Wars or Star Trek and that the hologram of the dance floor, it is a space, a safe space for practicing how we would like to be in life.
33:04 So, if we want to bring in the posture of more courage or being more inspired or more alive or more participatory, then the dance space is a safe container for going there. And since we’re relating with others then, ultimately we can take that template out into other areas of life. So, that’s pretty much the work that I offer out whether it be again in a physical capacity and individual capacity through Skype or in a group or workshop experience.
33:35 Lorna: I remember some during Awesomeness fest, you were offering something around Theta healing. Can you tell me more about what Theta healing is?
33:44 Jocelyn: Yes. Theta healing came into my life three years ago and through a dear sister at Wanderlust Festival Squaw Valley. That was a pretty event that year. It was actually half an hour appointment and I was late. I came in 15 minutes into the session. And I was astounded by how quickly we went very deep in those 15 minutes. The topics of mother, money and men came up and those are all really intense.
34:20 Lorna: Yes. I could see. So, safe for women.
34:25 Jocelyn: Yes, mother, money and men. I was completely wowed to how clear we got to the subconscious programs that we’re playing. So, the subconscious being like an operating system that has its programs and ways of being and mind where saying all kinds of things like I had a program, all men are perpetrators. They came from a past experience. And I didn’t realize that until that moment. And then, when I heard it, I was like, “Oh my gosh. I believed this for so many years. This has been running the show in terms of how I pick potential partners, especially because I have a young daughter.” And it was just mind-blowing in 15 minutes.
35:06 So, at that time, I felt like I have been maxed up with certifications and workshops. So, it’s taking a break. However, I was fascinated by that. So, I just went into the theta healing program again. Actually, this time last night, I’m not necessarily going to hang a shingle and promote this as a modality I offer. I’m just going to go in with the curiosity and see what’s there. And it’s been really amazing as a way to again, access those programs that are running the show while one is completely ignorant. And yet, this one thing is like creating all kinds of misunderstanding. So, Theta healing brings those to the forefront and provides an opportunity to release and replace with truth semens.
35:57 Lorna: Okay, that sounds incredibly powerful, little bit like N.L.P.
36:02 Jocelyn: Yes. It’s not unlike many different modalities. A lot of work focuses on upgrading the subconscious.
36:11 Lorna: It’s funny I can hear the roosters in the background. It’s such a Balinese sound also very Thai sound as well like people just have their roosters and dogs like running around in the street. I’d love to hear from you. What is it like to be based in Bali because I thought about going to Bali and being based there for at least part of a year and I’ve disqualified Bali because I find the internet to be unworkable. But it sounds pretty clear to me speaking to you. So, tell me what life is like as an entrepreneur in Bali?
36:53 Jocelyn: Again, as a young age, I visualized myself like with a laptop at the ocean. That was my idea of success of having this location-free lifestyle. So, that’s happened in my subconscious. I’m like, “You know what? I have a business that has been taking me around the world, teaching.” So, really, I don’t have to be in one specific place all the time. And Bali is a place I’ve been visiting and teaching in for 5 years.
37:29 I feel like Bali energy is a feminine energy and that she always have something to teach me. And I received so much from my time here that I wanted to return that generosity by really being intimate and present with Bali, not just like coming in and out occasionally or really spending a bit more time to be present with her.
37:50 So right now, I’m looking at these amazing trees. When I look through my daughter’s window, I stand up there’s a rice field. It’s like 360 degrees of rice field.
38:00 Lorna: Oh, wow, I love it.
38:02 Jocelyn: Yeah, big coconut trees. Where we’re staying is on a Balinese family compound. So you’ll hear family life and the roosters and the dogs and coconuts which my partner loves. And that’s amazing architecture high ceilings lots of wood and stone.
38:24 Lorna: Wow. Are you living in a Hubud or closer to the beach like Seminyak?
38:31 Jocelyn: I’m a Hubudian.
38:34 Lorna: That’s the reason why they call Bali, Balifornia. When I went to Hubud, I walked around and like to all these like raw food restaurants and these Yoga studios and like, I’m going to run into somebody I know here. I’m absolutely certain. Lo and behold, I did.
38:55 Jocelyn: I’ll just say for a Westerner, Bali could be possibly an easy landing pad in a sense that there’s a strong expat community here but you are also so clearly in South East Asia. You’re so clearly not at home. It’s so obvious the Balinese practices, their spiritual practices are woven into every moment of every day. There’ll be times when you think you’re going to get to Hubud in 5 minutes but actually it takes longer because there’s a cremation ceremony and whole village’s walking in the street at 2 o’clock in the afternoon. So, you’re so clearly not in Kansas, and not so everything because I love about it.
39:42 Lorna: One of the things that I loved about Bali was riding my scooter like through these rice paddy fields. It was just a sense of liberation and freedom, basically freedom.
39:59 Jocelyn: My daughter loves that.
40:02 Lorna: Did she live there with you?
40:03 Jocelyn: She goes to the Green school.
40:06 Lorna: How awesome.
40:07 Jocelyn: Yeah, pretty awesome. She’s been visiting Bali since she was 9. And we quickly found out that one of her favorite things to do is ride on the back of my motorbike. She was like, “Let’s go for a ride mama.”
40:21 Lorna: Fun! So, Green school’s the eco-friendly school in Bali that’s based on–is the American education system or international Baccalaureate?
40:32 Jocelyn: It’s more Australian but they’re now bringing in Singapore, math and other programs.
40:39 Lorna: Wow. Is the expat community in Bali more transient, like people are don’t really stay that long or is there a solid community of expat’s has been based there for a long time or a year? Or tend to stay for years?
40:56 Jocelyn: There’s all the above. So, I have girlfriends, actually two other single moms who have been here raising their children and running their businesses for 22 years.
41:08 Lorna: I got to come to visit sometime.
41:15 Jocelyn: Please do. You have a welcome committee.
41:19 Lorna: Awesome. So, we’re about at the end of our segment. Now, I just want to leave you a couple questions: two of my favorite questions. The first is what is your most powerful mindset tool for success?
41:33 Jocelyn: I can tell you right now in response to known patterns of delay, avoidance based on that theory – “it’s not perfect yet”. My new mindset is reminding myself that everything is love and I guess that speaks the Pronoia that everything’s working on the half of my well-being as it is working on the behalf of your well-being and everyone else. So, being “pronoid” and when an email comes up or I have to address something that makes me feel uncomfortable, I’m remembering that there’s a masquerade happening in existence and behind every mask which can be me or you or an uncomfortable situation or an unpleasant situation but behind every single mask is love and love is only always for growth and the expansion of the existence.
42:34 So, that has been my most powerful recent mindset, to move forward and to move this on upper minute challenges that tweak my spines sometimes.
42:47 Lorna: Okay. So, this last question is my most favorite question to ask a world changing entrepreneurs. Jocelyn, what do you think is the most effective way to change the world?
43:01 Jocelyn: Like Ghandi said, it’s to focus, not so much to focus on yourself in a self-centered way but instead of projecting outward what’s wrong and trying to compel other people and government so to speak to change what’s wrong. I feel it’s best to look inside for wisdom and growth and then let that be reflected outwardly.
43:26 Lorna: Beautiful. Thank you so much. How can we best in touch with you?
43:30 Jocelyn: Jocelyngordon.com, as well as, hoopyogini.com.
43:35 Lorna: Okay, thank you so much for joining us. And listeners out there, you can go to entrepreneursforchange.com/63 and hear Jocelyn Gordon’s master class on how to create irresistible certification program for your unique holistic fitness brand.
43:55 So, thank you so much for joining us today. You have a beautiful morning in Bali.
44:03 Jocelyn: Thank you. Likewise.
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